Don’t use a oil based varnish on your piece as will yellow in no time flat. Oils make wood look good. Found your article and just have a question: can I use ANY water based varnish if that is the route I choose to go? I like the idea of durabilitywith waxy feel. Having just finished painting some kitchen cupboards I’m going to try the Polyvine dead flat varnish, provided (like one of the other posters) that I can find it here in France. I gave it 2 weeks and have now sanded the top completely back to the wood and repainted. Please join our facebook group “chic moulding project show and tell chalk paint and upcycle” for advice. Yes, if you are going to finish with shellac it doesn't matter whether it is waxed or not,. I have been chalk painting furniture for a while and am a total advocate of Polyvine – both satin and dead flat finishes. Although I will say that I no longer prefer a high gloss finish. Hello ! Sorry to hear that you have had issues, I hope you get them sorted. It's finished bright with a blue bottom paint. I like the way the chalk paint looks as is, but I put it on kitchen cabinets and want to make sure the finish doesn’t get damaged from day to day use. try it . What a great article and so so helpful, it all was a bit confusing for a novice like me in regards to the choices with protective finishes. This is my first time ever using chalk paint on furniture and I probably should have done more research first!☺️I used Behr Chalk paint. Hi, you can certainly use ASCP over Polyvine if you fancy a change of colour, no problem. That sounds like a great tip , definitely going to The varnish can take up to 21 days to cure & harden, so just make sure your Daughter is very careful with it for a few weeks . When texturing/distressing you can also mix different brands and we shouldnt be shy of experimenting, confidence comes with time though I find. In my early days I did also try painting a waxed pine dresser with Farrow and Ball Estate Egshell (an acrylic) that reacted terribly to the wax, separating and peeling off. Hi, I used AS chalk paint followed by a couple coats of AS clear wax on the tables. Great product. I have found a shop in Spain that sells Annie Sloan paint and wax but not polyvine. When the time is right, the varnish itself can be removed and the painting re-varnished to make it look as good as new. People tell me it looks like a paint effect but it wasn’t supposed to look that way! I wanted to write about something that has been a burning issue for some time on our Facebook group. You can stain it also if necessary. Helpful Reply What’s the difference between using a wax or varnish over chalk paint ? Can I use polyvine varnish on top of sulus satin wood paint? Sorry, I needed to say that. While many varnishes can certainly be durable, they can leave things a little plasticky and flat to the touch. Non-polyurethane oil based varnishes will also adhere just fine to shellac that still has it's wax. Excuse my grammar police tendencies! If you're sensitive to VOCs, put on a respirator. All you need to apply it is a soft lint-free cloth such as a microfiber and if you ever need to fix a light scuff, you can just buff it out or add more wax depending on the severity. You can apply shellac over the Minwax oil/varnish after 24 hours. I have reworked this piece several times and just not happy with it, spending way too long on it and certainly won’t be making any profit on it. Hi James, Durability is more of an issue for me. I am excited to see the finish on my nwe pieces and how it weathers over time. By creating an account you agree to the Hunker. It’s as close as you will come with a varnish. Great article. When viewing the finish on my friend’s varnished painted furniture, there is little difference to a wax finish when Polyvine has been used. As you have already used a varnish I’d say that the wax is probably not going to work as well now as the porous paint will have been sealed and the wax will not bond as well as it should. As I mention in the article, latex paint doesn’t need a finish coat, neither do oil based paints as they behave and cure in a very different way to Annie Sloan Chalk Paint Decorative Paint. Painting over waxed wood generally isn't recommended. My pieces go to real homes, with kids, dogs and probably no coasters! The varnish won’t harden & set as it should it it has wax underneath You each know which paint you enjoy using, I just prefer Annie Sloan Chalk Paint decorative paint. It is not advisable. Did you use a clear wax first? Hi Sam thanks for the email have read the blog about wax or varnish i am afraid it is a little late for me though i asked for some advice on what to use over the chalk paint i used to paint our kitchen tables and chairs i was advised to use Wilkinson’s diamond hard matt varnish i followed the instructions 5% dilute for first coat the use from tin we did this and after one day it started to yellow also it did not give a nice hard wearing finish as some of the paint has come off the chairs after sitting on them for a couple of times so back to square one what to use i would welcome any advice that will help me seal the chairs so i don’t have to keep rubbing them down and re doing kind regards James. So would you say wax to get the depth of the color, then once it cures apply the varnish? It's vulnerablity is to household cleaners. You can apply wax over any other finish and it will give the surface a soft sheen and smooth feel, but don’t put other finishes over wax. (I also know from experience!) Varnishes will not adhere and oils will be prevented from penetrating the wood as it should. Wax can be prone to marking fairly easily from items such as cups leaving water rings and will only repel a light sprinkling of water. I u just want PolyAcrylic it suits my life style. You won’t ever have to deal again or worry about scratches. Obviously I don’t want to repaint them. But applying a finish over an existing finish is one of the riskiest operations you can do in finishing because it can result in any number of problems. I don’t use Annie Sloan paint anymore. I know the feeling! Let battle commence! I want to chalk paint my old laminate kitchen floor. What about if you want to re paint over waxed paint? I hope this helps. Please excuse my stupidity, after painting and dark waxing a desk this weekend, I would like to know if I can Matt varnish over the top of the wax for added protection ? Once your surface dries, you can go ahead and add another coat if need be. Use a good quality white spirit to remove the wax then when it's all gone go over the table with a fine sand paper then give it another wipe over with the white spirit before you varnish. It can also be applied by roller for larger flatter areas. It's hardness makes it scratch a bit more easily than softer finishes such as varnish. Not too worried about getting a completely matt finish. I’m always so anxious and just want to open that paint and brush on the color. So how easy is it to strip it before repainting? Any help you can provide to keep the white color but also protect the piece will be deeply appreciated. Only problem? I have found that waxing alone, over time can taint, for example on my dressing table where make up and fragrances etc are used the wax has allowed staining (maybe I use too much bronzer) but the whole basis of varnish leaves me thinking that this wouldnt happen if I had used Polyvine varnish instead of wax. I only ever want to do a job once. Will this work??? I don’t know if I used too much, or too little wax, but it looks streaky and uneven all over my kitchen cabinets. Hi- I have painted my dining table with Annie Sloan Chalk paint and have put 1 coat of her wax on. The solvents in oil paint will soften it, leaving a tacky finish, and wax prevents water-based varnishes from bonding to the wood surface, causing eventual peeling. Varnish, one of the toughest of the finishes, is superior to the other traditional finishes. I am also thinking of putting a picture on the round seats with permanent markers; will the wax protect it or just smare it? Water-base varnish can be used over stain and filler, provided you allow the undercoats to fully cure. The table is for my daughter, who is in college in Virginia Beach, (you know, parties, beer pong, etc). What’s the difference between the two? I have noticed Dixie Bell is very big in the states, and here in the UK it seems to have made an entrance too. It has a subtle sheen, but without the elbow grease Would the varnish protect from such things? can I put the matte polyvine over the wax ?? I discovered Polyvine products by accident, after searching for a high quality alternative to waxing. Your discount code and download link will be sent to you once you’ve signed up, so look for it in your email inbox. This is the nerdy bit, we’re going to have a look at what wax actually is and how it protects your lovely new painted piece of furniture. There is nothing like it on the market. Latex paint doesn’t dry to a porous finish so any wax or varnish that you may apply over latex will effectively ‘sit’ on the surface and will not lastingly bond with the paint. You can use the darkening effects of the Danish Oil, the scratch resistance of the Varnish Oil and the liquid protection of the Original Wood Finish all on the same project. I’ve had a Great result it has only very slightly changed the colour tone and chalky texture but hardly noticeable. I’ve used It over chalk paint, semi gloss, gloss…etc. Americana® DuraClear – Soft Touch Varnish I wonder if this would be similar? I would then apply some Polyvine clear wax varnish instead of the wax as you will find it harder wearing for the kitchen where things need to be a bit more ‘scrubbable’. I figured, hey it says “Chalked” “Protective Top Coat” on the can so it must be good. Oh, and that ultra fussy client that isn’t quite happy with the authentic look because it “looks different to the one in Argos!” You know what I mean, we all get them! Hi, I’m in the Uk and have a porch door which is somewhat protected from the rain but still is exposed to damp air. I would argue that with the Annie Sloan Chalk Paint, although the chosen colours are a huge plus, it is more the characteristics and ease of use of the paint that is the major benefit in its use. Surely wax is too soft to be of any real protection? Although it's safe to paint over hardened wax with some brands of chalk paint, it's important to check the recommendations on the container for confirmation. Thanks for the informative piece- I’ve Just painted an old very orange pine laminate table. NEVER the other way around. Painting over waxed wood generally isn't recommended. I agree with you about polyvine – the products I have used by them are very good. Just in case you didn’t know about those, pop over to have a look at our amazing range here. Have a read through this article to find out if you can paint over varnish, as well as some top tips to keep in mind when painting over varnish! Take care, For max durability use the satin first and then go over with the dead flat if that’s the finish you prefer. Do you think that will work on tiles? If you can’t get Polyvine in Spain you can use other brands of acrylic varnish which I know are available in Spanish DIY stores as I live there myself for a number of years. However, you need to keep the pets away from the floors. These include blistering, wrinkling, fish eye, orange peel and poor bonding. This may be an option depending on whose products you are using – check with them first. Carnauba in it’s raw form is actually harder that concrete and is only found on the leaves of the palm tree known as Copernicia prunifera. Soak a rag with odorless -- or white -- mineral spirits and apply the solvent liberally to the painted surface. You can wet distress, let dry, then varnish. The difference is that they will slightly darken the colour of the wood, applying a little water to the wood will give you an indication of the final finish. I have painted two dining chairs in different coloured ASCP for my grandchildren. Having to prime, sand, etc. without it’s hard shine will look like new . and I should probably use the varnish on the floor? I’m a waxing girl. Given that you are in Spain and these cupboards are also going to be subjected to a lot of heat I would be hesitant to use wax in the first instance. This is especially so with white finishes. Likewise if you apply the wax first this will almost certainly inhibit the varnishes ability to stick to the surface, unless the wax is fully cured and hardened, and this can take up to 30 days. I painted my kate mums chairs in Paris Grey. A DIYer by nature, Deziel regularly shares tips and tricks for a better home and garden at Hunker.com. I use varnish on dressing table/table in fact anywhere an alcohol, heat or perfume can stain wax.or tv stands where scratches occur on top due to movement/weight. We are in the process of refinishing some hardwood floors and are using a water based varnish and wondered if that would work or the piece of furniture. If you’re feeling brave however give it a go and see how you get on you can always repaint basically all goes horribly wrong. For kitchen csbinets. It’s a little annoying as it doesn’t yellow all over. So, now I’ll have to re-paint and re-seal. The key to success is to make sure the oil has fully dried first. However, I still love the ‘feel’ and light sheen of a waxed piece, but I’ll just use up my giant tin of AS wax on smaller projects from now on. I’ve only ever used wax but like the idea of trying the polyvine to see how it improves durability but indefinitely want to tonsil look as if it’s been waxed and buffed, which is the best finish I’m assuming the dead flat? Once it has cured, you can paint over it, which is a nice option if you’re someone who is fickle or perhaps you just like to change things up now and then. It is unlikely to bond well and may interfere with the hardening process of the wax. Now I have read this article I am wondering if it would be difficult to use over the chalk paint. If it were me I think I would try a test spot in a non obvious place and see if there is any reaction before I did the whole piece. Can I purchase somewhere in the US or US delivery? I bought both kinds a while ago, but chickened out of using them…as with the dark wax… I’ll give it a go on a few small pieces that have sat around waiting for me to make my mind up as to their finish. Dixie Bell, this paint is fabulous! However, I have noticed on my kitchen table which has been waxed stains are appearing and won’t shift. (Canada sucks at inventory all the time everywhere, even for Annie S). It's finished bright with a blue bottom paint. But I was not happy with a brush application, nor foam applicators. It is a chalk, mineral based paint, similar to Annie Sloan, but more environmentally friendly. I like the color but HATE the finish. Thanks! I had no idea rubbing alcohol was that caustic! It still early to wear shoes and walking over the surface with bare feet. Autentico Versante Eggshell (water-based chalk paint ) Is BRILLIANT . Would it be a good compromise to use Polyvine on the top and sides of a chest, but wax on the decorative doors? I only use the ASCP now because it rarely reacts and adheres really well. I’m glad they turned out just how you wanted them to. Secondly, if a dark wax is to be used on decorative bits or crackle, must a clear wax be applied first (underneath the dark wax)? Also for a final polish or to remove excess wax I use wire wool 0000 grade. There are heaps of people there who can help with advice with paint. The touch and feel of waxed furniture can’t be beaten IMHO. Before we get going I should point out that I’m just writing this guide to be used in conjunction with Annie Sloan chalk paint decorative paint as its the only paint I currently use for any of my projects. polyurethane the top, and wax everything else. You can get these mixed into AS or F&B colours and there is no need to put on a top coat such as wax. You may find spraying gives a more even result (as it always does). With both the paint and the wax you have to practice, get things wrong and just plain learn how to use the product. Unlike paint or clear finish, wax -- even super-hard carnauba wax -- never completely cures. I'm considering wiping the whole surface with fine steel wool and buffing with wax. I’m sure they are available in lots of places, but the brand I use comes in bulk from Harbor Freight. Its been very informative. Just as you can over any Drying Oil. We have had samples of varnishes that claim to keep the wood "Looking exactly as it is before applying the varnish" but they don't actually work. One last thing: I am an annoying stickler for correct usage of its and it’s, and there are a few mix-ups in the article… Can I be a total nit-picker and point them out? Hi Ingrid, did you find out?, I also want to know if it is available over there? I would suggest giving it some more time and see how you get on before applying anything over the top of the dark wax. Not being able to change the colour is the only reason I wouldn’t wax or varnish over chalk paint. I Really like how it made the chairs feel and they look so nice – not too much lustre, but it smoothed out the surface nicely, and they’re protected from water. I had put some polycrylic on them and it yellowed so bad I had to sand it off. The kitchen cupboards I have waxed seem to be doing okay so far. As the wax is applied these solvents evaporate leaving the carnauba to set hard and seal the porous paint surface as it cures. References. Varnish provides a clear finish, but it darkens the wood slightly. This is additional insurance against peeling and separation. If you are convinced that the finish isn’t salvageable then you may need to strip the wax off with some white spirit or rubbing alcohol back to a nice flat finish. If you are covering a larger area, I find using a small radiator roller for the job is perfect! Do you think that will work? It will keep the dust down. If you’re working with vintage furniture it is likely to have an old varnish or wax coating to protect it over the years but this is likely to react with new paint and ruin your smooth finish. Even that requires that the oil dry for 72 hours, so make sure you let it dry good too. You could try using a clear wax to remove some of the dark wax. Hi, this is a subject that brings out many different opinions. You May Be Making Work For Yourself – Don’t make “another fine mess” with your choice of finish. If the piece was made in the last 30 years, odds are it's polyurethane. your blog is very helpfull im just very nervous since I’m doing this for the first time. We spent 2 sanding down our chairs, applying 4 coats of chalk paint which finally gave the coverage we needed and the chairs looked brilliant. I hope it all goes well let me know if there’s anything else I can advise you on. what did we do wrong?? If you varnish over wax you’ll find that the varnish will easily bubble and peel off. Liquid gold in a bottle! If you varnish over wax you’ll find that the varnish will easily bubble and peel off. I know that Annie, given her artistic demeanor would always much rather have an authentic and charismatic finish for her projects every time and I truly respect that. Thank you. I painted using the Annie Sloan, chocolate brown color. And so can you. I have a side table with pull outs to place drinks on so will need something more than just clear wax. Until then it will be a little more vulnerable to the elements. I am super cheap when it comes to chalk painting, I used to love Annie S it still is great (my first chalk paint used) However I am a forever bright turquoise lover and I discovered cheaper brands at the local Micheal’s in Canada (CraftSmart ‘Native Turquoise’- is my obsession..) anyway I Also have the issue with wax I have now almost 4 kids under 4yrs everything gets messy/sticky including pee pee stains on their Annie – Duck egg blue change table. But I dont like high shine that you get from varnish. Learn how your comment data is processed. In the first instance I would advise patience. Is it better to use varnish or wax over chalk paint? Check the rag for discoloration and rub again if you see any. In most cases, you shouldn't need more than a single coat, but if you do, let the first coat dry for the recommended time first. They are also highly toxic, smell for hours/days, very difficult to clean up after and harmful to the environment, that’s why all major paint manufacturers are moving to and evolving their acrylic lines. Click to see full answer Then, how long should polyurethane dry before waxing? Whats the best to apply the Polyvine please? From my experience, I wouldn't wax over either a semi gloss or satin varnish as they have additives in the finish intended to dull it down, so you're working against the product. The guideline is that it’s typically 1/3 varnish, and 2/3 oil. The thing about varnishing over wax is that wax is slippery old stuff and it takes an age to fully cure. Applying a clear coat over a white finish tends to make it turn yellowy, giving it an aged or Victorian look. In order to decide whether to use wax or varnish over chalk paint there are a few things to consider. Old House Journal: A Clearer View of Floor Finishes ; Before film finishes like polyurethane varnish were widely available, paste wax was the best option for giving wood furniture and floors a protective coating, but now, the main purpose of wax is simply to polish the existing finish. This process can take up to a month. However, if you have already waxed- you will need to remove the wax before applying Polyvine. What about the projects that us ‘everyday painters’ embark upon though. Also asked, do you have to seal chalk paint? i really want to paint my basement tile floors with chalk paint. As a result, if you have a piece of furniture with polyurethane or varnish finish for example, you can apply a finishing wax to beautify it. If you use a liquid varnish on your watercolour paintings they will however run. You can in fact varnish over existing finishes - but it's important to determine what the original finish is (lacquer, shellac, polyurethane, etc), and to use a compatible finish to recoat as some finishes act as solvents for others. After a few months of using both now I find the varnish can yellow with certain paints. With that in mind, I have an E-book available containing some of my most useful tips. https://www.facebook.com/groups/Fortheloveofshabbychic/. I totally LOVE this stuff. We love the dead flat matt finish, and it is our best seller. That way I’m sure a winner will emerge based on your feedback. Lightly scuff the wax, using 150-grit sandpaper. Hi, personally I would advised against using Polyvine over a waxed finish. homage to the subject of the article) to spell-checker and some chalked up to just getting the article online, as most of the time you use “it’s” correctly! Thanks again. I’m worried about the color change, I will have to text it out and compare. Thanks. Hi, I already painted and waxed a coffee table and now i’m thinking it will not uphold to the heavy traffic it will entail. I chalk painted a few dining chairs and i experimented with tile sealer as a finish. This means it will take longer to cure and may remain greasy to the touch for longer, incurring finger marks etc in the meantime. Intending to do a dining room table so after 2 coats of Annie Sloan would then use a satin acrylic varnish followed by a dead-flat varnish to take away shine? Fixing dull paintings. You could also apply an oil based varnish over the Minwax. and why would you rub wax on a painted cupboard? I wax but am finding for items where kids are on it’s not hard wearing enough. I was going to wax them but now wonder if it would be better to use AS lacquer or polyvine. We love wax too, But sometimes, when a more durable finish is needed, Polyvine is the answer! I would just like to point out a couple of issues though. When buying it, there was no wax so we opted for the Polyvine dead Matt finish…. I had some Polyvine dead Matt finish varnish left over after another project. I hope this helps a bit. you have to sand, to remove it. Having optimistically embarked on up-cycling some gorgeous dining room chairs and thinking chalk paint was just a nice matte finish paint and not being able to find anyone at B&Q who had any idea about painting furniture we set out with our tin of paint and high hopes. I’m finding the floor paint is easier to work with and much harder wearing and winter grey is a great colour. As far as maintaining the shine, apply new wax infrequently -- every six months or so rather … So thank you for the advice about varnish which I will try to get here in France. Hi, yes it would be best to apply a coat of varnish to seal things before distressing. It can be used as a topcoat over worn finishes. 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